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Posted: 23rd July 2008 12:41
Pattinson: wrong pick
I don't buy into all that hype about unsettling the team unity either. Having someone come in at number 11 does not make you get bowled out for 203 in your first innings. It does not unsettle the team first up, maybe it does later in the match, but England's batsmen are the one's to blame for that poor start, not Darren Pattinson.
Nasser Hussain
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The biggest disappointment from the second Test has to be England's performance on the field, but the public fall-out from it is nothing but annoying.
There has been a lot of spin over the past two days, much of it coming from the media and I include the likes of myself in that, because we do have to ask questions about the selection at Headingley.
But the selection of one lad, Darren Pattinson, did not cost England the Test match.
What cost England that Test match was batting poorly in the first innings and the fact that South Africa played some excellent cricket. Beyond that the issue has been clouded.
But everyone has since focussed on Pattinson and clearly it was the wrong selection for a number of reasons. First of all, I just don't think it was fair on the lad to bring him in from such obscurity.
He had only played a handful of games for Nottinghamshire and it wasn't right to jump him over experienced, hardened county players like Chris Tremlett, Steve Harmison, Matthew Hoggard and Simon Jones.
Secondly, it was wrong to go for a horses-for-courses policy. Fifteen years ago at Headingley you needed pitch-it-up swing bowlers, but these days you need a balance attack. England already had James Andersen to do that - and he bowled really well.
Thirdly, Pattinson is blatantly an Australian. He might have been born here, but he was brought up there and his dad says he's an Aussie. What does that say to our young Academy cricketers and the people in the game that pump huge amounts into youth development?
I just felt so sorry for Pattinson. He's clearly a nice lad and a good cricketer and the bottom line is he put in a decent performance, but should he have been put under that ferocious pressure? No he shouldn't.
I don't buy into all that hype about unsettling the team unity either. Having someone come in at number 11 does not make you get bowled out for 203 in your first innings.
It does not unsettle the team first up, maybe it does later in the match, but England's batsmen are the one's to blame for that poor start, not Darren Pattinson.
As for the public fall-out - and I'm not talking specifically about Michael Vaughan or the selection - I do think if you win the game, you take credit as a captain so if things go wrong, you have to hold your hands up.
When I lost that famous toss in Brisbane in 2002 I actually asked Duncan Fletcher, Marcus Trescothick and three or four others for advice; but I was proved to be wrong and held my hands up instantly.
I thought Vaughan actually had a decent game as captain, but it is good man-management if you do hold your hands up because after all, we all make mistakes. I do think though that when asked about selection issues both he and Peter Moores should have said nothing. They should have both referred any questions to Geoff Miller.
I was part of the Schofield Report and that is why we changed the selection format. We wanted someone who was accountable if you like, but also figurehead and a reference point for selection issues.
You never hear John Buchanan or Ricky Ponting talking publicly about Australia's selections, do you? I see Hugh Morris has called a meeting and that is why we have someone in that role, to deal with these issues.
We should not be looking to hang people out to dry either. Now we need to look at how we got into this situation and having spoken to Michael Atherton about this in the last two days, I wonder whether the captain now needs to be kept out of selection altogether.
He is the one that leads the team on the field, so maybe it is a question of saying: 'Here's your 13, whittle that down to 11', so captain and coach decide the final XI.
I know Geoff Miller as well and he is a really good guy and having worked with him myself, I have absolutely no doubt that he would give the captain what he wants too.
This should not be a time for knee-jerk reactions or massive changes. England have gone down big to South Africa before and bounced back.
But the harsh facts are that in the last couple of innings, England have struggled to bowl the tourists out once, let alone twice. They need a wicket-taker and whether that is Steve Harmison, Simon Jones or anyone else, I don't know.
How to work him into the side is another matter as well. It might mean bringing Paul Collingwood back in, having your wicket-keeper at seven and then just going with your four best bowlers. That might rule Stuart Broad out, which would be hard on him, but it might be that they just replace Pattinson with Ryan Sidebottom and bring Jones or Harmison at Edgbaston.
Whatever happens, whoever is responsible and whoever makes the decision, England need a strike bowler.
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Comments
Neil Thompson says...
I agree now is not the time for panic. that time was the beginning of the Summer. Vaughan can no longer judge where his off stump is early in an innings and should be replaced by Bell at three, Collingwood back in at 5, Prior 6 (Ambrose a boy in a man's world), Flintoff 7 for a bash, Broad 8, Sidebottom 9, Jones 10 and Anderson 11. Persevere with Broad - the county scene won't teach him anything, leave out Monty until he learns variety, and work on Cook's suspect technique and build on his 4 scoring shots! Make Pietersen sit and watch Ashwell Prince's innings from start to finish and tell him that's the kind of patience he is expected to learn for his inflated salary. There, I'm done - now where's that birch twig?
Posted 14:14 24th July 2008
Ben Wynne-davies says...
One name amazingly not mentioned within potential bowling options is Kabir Ali. The guy is a consistent partnership breaker. He has exceptional career average and strike rate, gets good batsmen out, bowls full and swings the ball late at 85mph+. The only test experience he has had was a 1 test wonder against South Africa where he took 5 wickets and bowled well. In my view he's a more rounded, consistent and attacking bowler than Jones, Harmison, Hoggard or Tremlett at the moment.
Posted 09:58 24th July 2008
Jamie Rossiter says...
I think its even easier to solve than that, drop Michael Vaughn, he has been totally ineffective with the bat in this series and yes he's the captain but does that justify his selection in the team when he is clearly out of form?
Posted 09:31 24th July 2008
Dhiren Khandel says...
Spot on Nasser....couldn't agree anymore.....Pattinson is really to blame in this case, its the selectors that should be blamed because as you mentioned this is lad isn't nearly as experienced as Harmy. Hoggy or Jones and that says it all I mean why would you turn down 3 bowlers who have played against high quality opposition and are currently bowling very well...granted Pattinson was doing really well in County Cricket but that doesn't mean that he should play ahead of those 3 who only won the ashes for England in 05! As if that wasn't a reminder to the massive potential those 3 have when it comes to destroying battling lineups. I don't think Broad should be dropped on the basis of not taking wickets because sooner or later everything will fall into place for the boy. Any one who's watched Broad can tell that he really does play with his heart and soul something that lacks from most of the England team...he has determination, will and the KILLER INSTINCT (something that lacks from the batsmen in particular). He is quality like his father. He has consequently been blessed with his fathers batting talent which we have all witnessed to shame the rest of the batsmen. I mean what do the batsmen get paid for if we have to rely on the bowlers to do the batsmen job and then take 20 wickets. However despite this the lad looked absolutely shattered to pieces coming into that test...as I remember Michael Holding's exact words of the situation of Broad "3 days in nowhere long enough for a fast bowler to rest". Overall the batsmen are to blame not the bowlers because they gave everything they had in them in that test...
Posted 09:00 24th July 2008
Paul Hugo says...
I have been reading all the articles in the UK over the match at Headingley. I must say that it has turned into a CIRCUS. I have always thought that South Africans can have it bad when we do not perform but the press in the UK has pulled this whole thing out of preportion. I get the idea the DP in the poor guy that has to take the fall for the loss. I agree with Nassir, who is the guy that is in charge of the team as a whole. Your leader immediately looked to blame-shifting after the match... How can your follow a captain like that. All that he has done is made the team more unsettled with his comments. I am just happy that the South African looks settled and even though we bowled England out our bowler still need to fier properly in English conditions. I am looking forward to a massive test com the 30th.
Posted 08:49 24th July 2008
Mikea Kubayi says...
The English batsmen are to blame for the loss. During the first innings all played like they were in an ODI by trying to attack the ball unneccesarily. Their dismissals were all the same except for Bell's. I also expected a bit more patience from Peterson from both innings. Our(SA) batsmen are very experienced and their good perfomance should not be viewed as poor bowling from the likes of Pattinson, Broad and Anderson. The 5 batsmen that got the centuries so far in the series will always get them no matter who bowls. Smith was also a better captain throughout that game. Vaughan should not blame the changes because he is employed to manage the changes off and on the field. Lastly Pattinson is yours, embrace him and you will reap the rewards. The Harmisons, Sidebottoms and the others are good because they are not judged on one game. Even the wicket grabbing Panesar did not have a very good game.
Posted 00:40 24th July 2008
Arun Sivasubramanian says...
Nasser u got it spot on. England lost the Headingley test match on the 1st day before tea. If you bowled out for 203 on a decent track for heaven sake you should not blame the No 11 debutant, atleast he sticked into the crease and helped England reaching 200. It's definitely not Pattinson's mistake that he played this match. The English selectors and the over-rated England captain has to take the blame, even Peter Moores said selection of Pattinson into 11 was Vaughan's decision. As a captain he is a massive liability to the team, as a player well not much difference i can think of. He is an Yorkshire man, he should have known the condition in Leeds and how it will help the swing bowling. I can't believe English selectors and their captain is treating Matthew Hoggard, yes he had a bad 1st test match in New Zealand. But, if Vaughan says Hoggard is not in form then, its high time you had to look after yourself Mr.Vaughan. Hoggy has taken close to 250 test wickets in 60 odd test matches and he was one of the main reason why England had a good succession of victories in the sub-continet and also in the West-indies when he took a famous hatrick. Every one lashed at Steve Harmison's performance in the test match in New Zealand, now he is back to his best in county cricket and Simon Jones, whos is back fit and bowling with a very good pace. If England have any chance or intention to beat South Africa in the current series, they definitely need to rethink their bowling. The main reason England won the Ashes in 2005 is because of their bowling. Hoggard's swing bowling, Harmison & Flintoff's pace and Simon jones reverse swing bowling with the old ball. Yes Stuart Broad bats well, but England doesn't need a strike bowler to bat well and bowl as badly as he currently doing, his average speaks for himself @ 50 a piece. Send him back to county. Well if there are much talk about bowling, their batting was nothing to be proud of.
Posted 23:38 23rd July 2008
Phil Cooper says...
Firstly if a new member comes into the squad the others should be professional enough to deal with this and support him. This is not a social knitting club. Having seen quite a bit of Pattinson this season, he is better than many have given him credit for, as a swing bowler. Broad will be a top allrounder for a decade. However at this point in time his day job is to bowl and looking at the return on his wickets in terms of runs and his strike rate, he is not going to help to bowl sides out twice. Let him do some hard miles at county level before putting him back in. Flintoff must play, but his strike rate at the mid 60's also does not help immediately to bowl sides out, although he does build up pressure. Thus another bowler needs to be added, who can produce wicket taking deliveries to add to Sidbottoms reliability. Neither Flintoff nor Ambrose really look the part batting at six. the reason for Reid to be left out is supposedly his batting, but the runs have been scarce from Ambrose. We also have to remember that when he got runs it was against against New Zealand whose resources are limited. If you are going along the route of a batsman keeper Pryor must be considered. His irritating walk abouts at the crease between balls almost drove me nuts, but at Trent Bridge his batting was admirable. It is not an easy task for good batsmen on this surface to get a big total- he looked superb.
Posted 21:25 23rd July 2008
Stacey Owen says...
I felt for Tremlett. They drag him around the world and when an opportunity arises they bring in someone unknown. I think Broad is a great potential for the future but agree that he needs to be rested at the moment.
Posted 20:56 23rd July 2008
Neil Kuca says...
I feel that Darren Pattinson has been made a real scapegoat for this defeat. I agree he probably shouldn't have been picked in the first place, but once there he gave a decent performance, and took more wickets than either Broad or Flintoff. The comments from Vaughan about Pattinson's selection destroying team unity are also daft. Whichever bowler had been chosen, Collingwood would have had to be dropped, and surely his teammates could recognise he had done little to justify remaining in the team. The return of Flintoff has actually created problems for England because he is no longer good enough to bat in the top six at test level. I agree with Nasser Hussain that England must pick 6 batsmen (Collingwood or whoever), and their best 4 bowlers.
Posted 19:02 23rd July 2008
Danny Hesford says...
Spot on. Pick 6 batsmen and wicket keeper and your 4 best bowlers. Simple as that. Unfortunatley that would meen Stuart Broad missing out but are we picking a number 8 who takes wickets or score runs??
Posted 16:08 23rd July 2008
Gopal Srinivas says...
You are absolutely correct Nasser... The main problem in UK is no body takes the rap for bad performances in either the Sport or the Govt. Stuart Broad is the only gentlemanly cricketer in the team...The rest are all show offs and more interested in their next modelling money making assignment.. They do not put in their heart and soul while playing the game..
Posted 15:59 23rd July 2008
Edward Ashworth says...
I think that the last 2 test matches have shown how little penetration we have in our bowling at the moment when it's not swinging or spinning. In favourable batting conditions SA made our bowlers look distinctly average. Sidebottom (if fit) has to come back into the side and I'm afraid to say it but Broad should be given a rest - he looked very tired. Yes he can bat but are we really saying that we should be relying on one of our front line bowlers to get us out of the mire with the bat? It should be up to the 7 blokes ahead of him in the order to get 400 plus and then the bowlers should get the wickets. Which brings me onto my next point - Broad isn't getting wickets.... his 18 in test cricket have cost him nearly 50 runs each.... simply not good enough. He should go back to County cricket and learn his trade - like Sidebottom did. I watched the 20/20 yesterday and saw Harmison bowling accurately at 90mph. Surely he should be given another chance now that he has proven his fitness and ability at county level since being dropped? We need a balanced attack which is capable of getting wickets in all conditions - pace, bounce, swing, spin. This is what we had when we won the ashes in 2005 and what we should be looking to replicate now. In my opinion, Harmison, Jones and Flintoff are the stand-out pace bowlers in the championship and should all be in the England team. Unfortunately I think Hoggy's days are numbered, Sidebottom has taken his role and offers a bit more in terms of variation and pace. My team would be: A.Cook A.Strauss M.Vaughan (c) K.Pietersen I.Bell A.Flintoff T.Ambrose / M.Prior R.Sidebottom J.Anderson S.Harmison M.Panesar I would give the batters 1 more chance to shine - if they still fail to get any runs then we need to give those who have been knocking on the door a chance like Owais Shah.
Posted 15:59 23rd July 2008
Dennis Cowlard says...
I think its choice of Vaughan to say the selection of Pattinson disrupted team spirit. Whilst i cannot understand why Pattison was chosen,the England batsmen are the ones at fault for loseing this Test and Vaughan in particular has shown how usless he is at this time. His scores have been pathetic for some time and its past time the selecters used the bowlers as the ones to blame for games lost. If batsmen fail on several visits to the crease they should be dropped in which case Vaughan would be out on his earIf the best batsmen in England can only muster 203 lets not blame the bowlers for not getting S/Africa out for less, lets gets some fresh batsmen in there, lets face it they cant be much worse than the present lot.
Posted 14:13 23rd July 2008
Rob Birchall says...
I think Pattinson was a poor selection really. They obviously selected him because he was in form and bowling well but can you honestly say you expect to see him selected and played again? There is a big issue in Steve Harmison but don't you want to win games? you say that is it right to select someone who will let you down over the winter? I always thought it was about winning. Steve Harmison has been around the England team for the past few years so you can't exactly say he is a disruptive choice at all. Simon Jones is bowling quick and well and Personally I Think if you wanted a swing bowler for Headingly then Mathew Hoggard fitted the bill perfectly, home ground etc. I also think that dropping Collingwood was a poor choice, who out of all the England batsmen could you say battin second innings did you feel confident battin all day? sorry but there is no one. Colly would of given you everything and probably would 9/10 pull you through. shockin decision first test ultimately cost him his place. I would definately stick with Stuart Broad - Depending on fitness etc. looks a little jaded bowling. And as much as it hurts me to say it I think the biggest weak link at the moment is Monty..He dont contribute with the bat and his fielding is stil very poor. Never been Andersons biggest fan think he goes for too many runs but he is by far our best player at the moment. Cant imagine to many other players lastin an hour nightwatchmen and grindin runs. Wicket-keeper spot is up for grabs again unfortunately i think. Phil Mustard at 7 or 8? foster?
Posted 14:01 23rd July 2008
G Peters says...
Cast your mind back last week, to the final day's play of the Lord's Test. Barely had Michael Vaughan stepped off the field when 13 players were named for the Headingley Test. This gave the selection committee no opportunity to discuss the fitness of the bowlers following a third hard day in the field. The haste of this announcement was odd. It was also odd that apparently no decison had been made on the balance of the side. Between that day and the first day of the Headingley Test the selectors did not meet yet a strange announcement was made that Flintoff would play and bat at No7. A further decision was taken to call in an extra bowler (Pattinson) as cover for Anderson whose fitness was in doubt. Despite these rushed selections and early announcements the most important decision to be made between the two Tests, the dropping of Collingwood, was not made until the morning of the first day. This to me was a clear indication of a muddled, confused and disunited selection committee. The final selection of Pattinson ahead of Tremlett in the final 11, regardless of what you think of the merits of Pattinson's original selection, to me looked the most clear and sensible part of the entire selection shambles.
Posted 13:26 23rd July 2008
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